In this week’s conversation, Shane sits down with former CEO, congressman, university president, father, husband, and follower of Jesus, Brad Martin! These two have been long-time friends, and even co-authored a faith-based book over their mutual love of the story of David and Goliath titled Five Stones. Their talk today is refreshing as Brad shares stories from the many facets of his life, including his passion for incarceration transition ministries and what it was like overseeing a large retailer in Manhattan after September 11, 2001. One of the most valuable lessons that Brad reminds us is that we can matter no matter what our journeys look like by simply showing up and being present wherever the Lord plants us.